Partnership Director of Mandala Consulting, Marlisa Wahyuningsih Soepeno, had an insightful discussion with Jodi Mahardi, the Deputy Coordinating Minister for Maritime Sovereignty and Energy. On this occasion, Marlisa introduced Mandala Consulting as the Indonesian-owned Public Policy and Government Affairs consulting firm that emphasized data-driven and evidence-based advocacy and shared some studies in the energy and sustainability sectors that Mandala published. She also intensively discussed the idea of building an energy mix that puts Indonesia first. We are impressed by the warm welcome and the fruitful discussion. We extend our gratitude to Pak Jodi Mahardi for his valuable insights.